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]]> By: Hans de Zwart http://blog.hansdezwart.info/2009/05/11/the-height-of-a-payment-as-an-indicator-of-the-value-of-the-service/#comment-408 Hans de Zwart Tue, 12 May 2009 21:28:54 +0000 http://blog.hansdezwart.info/?p=419#comment-408 Thank you very much for your comments Kristian! I really like the idea of the TV show. I guess that works as it aggregates the view of the audience and some celebrities will have to leave. I wonder how you would do it when you are teaching a workshop. What if half the people love what you are doing and the other half don't? You are not sure education is quite ready for that model... I am very sure it isn't ;-). At least not for primary or secondary education. However I have a feeling it might be relevant for tertiary education. If I go to a university now it does have a very real cost for me and thus I have very real expectations. Most universities currently do not seem to provide enough value to me, so I am not studying at the moment: a real shame. Cheers, Hans Thank you very much for your comments Kristian!

I really like the idea of the TV show. I guess that works as it aggregates the view of the audience and some celebrities will have to leave. I wonder how you would do it when you are teaching a workshop. What if half the people love what you are doing and the other half don’t?

You are not sure education is quite ready for that model… I am very sure it isn’t ;-) . At least not for primary or secondary education. However I have a feeling it might be relevant for tertiary education. If I go to a university now it does have a very real cost for me and thus I have very real expectations. Most universities currently do not seem to provide enough value to me, so I am not studying at the moment: a real shame.

Cheers,

Hans

]]> By: Hans de Zwart http://blog.hansdezwart.info/2009/05/11/the-height-of-a-payment-as-an-indicator-of-the-value-of-the-service/#comment-407 Hans de Zwart Tue, 12 May 2009 21:16:58 +0000 http://blog.hansdezwart.info/?p=419#comment-407 Hello Marcel, Well, I guess in some ways we disagree. Did you get a chance to read Kevin Kelly's short piece yet? It is very interesting. He summarises: <blockquote>When copies are super abundant, they become worthless. When copies are super abundant, stuff which can't be copied becomes scarce and valuable. When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied. Well, what can't be copied?</blockquote> There are many digital products that I do pay for (e.g. making this hosted Wordpress blog appear on my own URL and ad-free, a voluntary donation to Leo Laporte's podcasting network, an interesting research article form the Harvard Business Review or software as a service in the form of DabbleDB). In all cases they seem to fit one of the eight generatives that Kelly describes. I guess I am putting two things together that don't necessarily fit: the business models based on "free" and the idea of using monetary feedback as a measurement of value. Maybe I did that because Aslander does it in his interview. Well, I'll start thinking about direct feedback for a next post! Thanks, Hans Hello Marcel,

Well, I guess in some ways we disagree. Did you get a chance to read Kevin Kelly’s short piece yet? It is very interesting. He summarises:

When copies are super abundant, they become worthless.
When copies are super abundant, stuff which can’t be copied becomes scarce and valuable. When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied.
Well, what can’t be copied?

There are many digital products that I do pay for (e.g. making this hosted WordPress blog appear on my own URL and ad-free, a voluntary donation to Leo Laporte’s podcasting network, an interesting research article form the Harvard Business Review or software as a service in the form of DabbleDB). In all cases they seem to fit one of the eight generatives that Kelly describes.

I guess I am putting two things together that don’t necessarily fit: the business models based on “free” and the idea of using monetary feedback as a measurement of value. Maybe I did that because Aslander does it in his interview. Well, I’ll start thinking about direct feedback for a next post!

Thanks,

Hans

]]> By: kristianstill http://blog.hansdezwart.info/2009/05/11/the-height-of-a-payment-as-an-indicator-of-the-value-of-the-service/#comment-405 kristianstill Mon, 11 May 2009 20:06:18 +0000 http://blog.hansdezwart.info/?p=419#comment-405 As we are culturally colleague / friends I felt I had something to share. We have a television programme that applies a similar concept. Celebrities and their friends/family and sometimes co-workers work along side Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay in the F Word kitchen. The cooking team score according to the number of the 50 customers willing to pay for each course, starter/main/desert. Second, one of my favourite coaches and respected speaker applies a simple statement for engagements. He only ever accepts a propsective employers first offer, never an improved offer. If he was worth the improved offer and the company thought he was worth it, why did they not offer that in the first place. As a teacher, how many of my students would be willing to pay for their education? I am not sure education is quite ready for that model. Thanks, enjoyed the post. As we are culturally colleague / friends I felt I had something to share. We have a television programme that applies a similar concept. Celebrities and their friends/family and sometimes co-workers work along side Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay in the F Word kitchen. The cooking team score according to the number of the 50 customers willing to pay for each course, starter/main/desert. Second, one of my favourite coaches and respected speaker applies a simple statement for engagements. He only ever accepts a propsective employers first offer, never an improved offer. If he was worth the improved offer and the company thought he was worth it, why did they not offer that in the first place.

As a teacher, how many of my students would be willing to pay for their education? I am not sure education is quite ready for that model.

Thanks, enjoyed the post.

]]> By: Marcel de Leeuwe http://blog.hansdezwart.info/2009/05/11/the-height-of-a-payment-as-an-indicator-of-the-value-of-the-service/#comment-403 Marcel de Leeuwe Mon, 11 May 2009 06:37:57 +0000 http://blog.hansdezwart.info/?p=419#comment-403 Hi Hans, Nice blogpost that made me think (10 points for that!). Interesting idea that you expect digital content to be free. I don't feel that way because the cost of distribution/delivery is not the only aspect that creates the value and the costs. E.g. if you are an author it would be nice if people are paying you for your e-books. It is not his/her job to earn money by giving presentations about the book. And as a consumer I'm not interested to hear or see the author (mostly), I just want to read his/her book. So I'm very willing to pay for good e-content and also software. IMHO such a model cannot be a marketing gimmick because it is driven by something else than marketing ideas. So if that's the only way, it is a bad way. Hans, thanks for writing this post and after the next one (about the direct feedback) I will evaluate the value of the post ;-) Marcel Hi Hans,

Nice blogpost that made me think (10 points for that!). Interesting idea that you expect digital content to be free. I don’t feel that way because the cost of distribution/delivery is not the only aspect that creates the value and the costs. E.g. if you are an author it would be nice if people are paying you for your e-books. It is not his/her job to earn money by giving presentations about the book. And as a consumer I’m not interested to hear or see the author (mostly), I just want to read his/her book. So I’m very willing to pay for good e-content and also software.

IMHO such a model cannot be a marketing gimmick because it is driven by something else than marketing ideas. So if that’s the only way, it is a bad way.

Hans, thanks for writing this post and after the next one (about the direct feedback) I will evaluate the value of the post ;-)

Marcel

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